At the 5th Congress in Tiflis in 1881, Rudolf Virchow gave the speech about there being no substnative Bronze Age in Russia. Lubbock had argued that primitive peoples weent first to gold, because it was in rivers and shiny, and they liked shiny things. Nevostruev had already presented at the first, though, about bronze artefacts found in gorodishche around the Kama River, including Pianii bor, some of which similar to An. mogilnik, but not all.